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minutes
Meeting 3 Minutes
Teleconference, December 8th, 2003
Attended: Will be indicated on the web site roster
1. Call to order
Meeting was called to order at 9:05
The eWG is reminded that this is the last meeting in which all members
have voting privileges, regardless of attendance, based on the bylaws.
From meeting 4 and on, an attendance record of 3 out of 4 meetings will
be required to establish voting rights (in addition to DASC membership).
Subsequent meetings will be conducted regardless of quorum, but if no
quorum is present, any motions will be put to ballot before they are
passed as resolutions.
2. Task force updates
So far, there are 6 task forces ready to go, 3 that are lacking
membership and 1 (synthesis) that was delayed until the language subset
is stabilized. Right before the meeting, Matthew Morley expressed
interest in leading the TCM task force. Hari Tirumalai volunteered to
serve on the TF.
2.1 Introducing TF leads
2.
Basic language task force (BL_TF)
- Chris Macionski (Lead)
- Silas McDermott
- Cristian Amitroaie
- Avi Bloch
Chris sent out an introductory note to the TF reflector and plans to
hold a kickoff call soon.
3. AOP task force (AOP_TF)
- Matan Vax (lead)
- Hamilton Carter
- Mairav Nitzan
Matan introduced the team, no activity to report so far.
4. Constraints and generation (TG_TF)
- Ken Sailor (Lead)
- Vitaly Lagoon
- Amos Noy
Frank Lang, a colleague of Ken introduced the team and indicated that
Ken plans on kicking off activity soon.
5. Coverage task force (COV_TF)
- Andy Piziali (Lead)
- Darren Galpin
- Rajesh Thyagarajan
- Nilesh Ranpura
Andy presented the team. Currently coordinating a first
conference call
6. Temporal expressions (TE_TF)
- David Van Campenhout
(Lead)
- Achutha Jois
- Anil Raj
- Gaurav Mehta
- Himanshu Rawal
David introduced the team, activity to start within a week or so
7. TCMs and concurrent semantics
(TCM_TF)
- Matthew Morley
- Anil Raj
- Hari Tirumalai
Matthew just volunteered for this role.
8. Foreign (HDL) access and
interfaces (FI_TF)
- Pitchumani Guruswamy
(Lead)
- Hamilton Carter
- Alec Stanculescu
- Eugen Pirvu
- Vitaly Yankelevich
- Eran Keydar
- Rajesh Thyagarajan
Pitchu presented the team, planning to start activities early next year.
The following task forces lack membership:
9. e libraries (LIB_TF)
- (Lead)
- Gabi Leshem
10. e reflection API (RF_TF)
- (Lead)
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- Hamilton Carter
2.3 Proposal to merge AOP and reflection TFs
The reflection TF is closely related to the AOP task force. Since there
is not enough participation in the reflection TF, it is proposed that
this task force is canceled and the scope of the AOP task force is
extended to cover reflective facilities.
Motion to extend the scope of the AOP
TF to cover reflection and eliminate the reflection TF.
Moves: Matthew Morley
Discussion
Andy: which TFs were glossed over?
Yaron: only the Coordination TF, which is the collection of all TF
leads and vice chair, led by the chair.
Matan: Some more motivation for combining the TFs: AOP is aimed to
cover OO issues, including hierarchies and relations in e. The
reflective facilities are used to explore these hierarchies and
relationships.
Seconds: Avi Bloch
No objections, no abstains. The motion passes.
2.4 Move
to nominate
Chair asks if any TF nomination requires individual considerations. Non
requested.
Motion to accept TF 2 to 8 nominations
as presented
Moves: Dave Tokic
Seconds: Andy Piziali
No objections, no Abstains. The motion passes.
3. Draft 0.1 (informative)
The WG is informed that the first draft standard LRM version 0.1 is
posted in the download section of the web site.
4. Issue tracking system (informative)
Participants are advised that the issue tracking system is available
and ready to go. Users need to obtain login handles, which can be
obtained on line through a link on the login page. The system can be
accessed through here.
The flow of issues is detailed in a graphic that can be found under the
help link.
5. DASC governance process (informative)
The DASC is undergoing some changes with respect to operation processes
and procedures. These are expected to reach a final form by the end of
January '04. At that time we will consider the actions necessary at the
eWG level to come into compliance.
Current eWG members are advised to review their DASC membership and
extend it for '04 if needed. The membership is posted on the DASC web site.
6. Attendance requirements and SEA members
There is a fair number of members from south east Asia, that find the
current meeting hours very inconvenient. Since we have members from all
over the world, finding a time that will work for everybody is
impossible. Given that voting rights are based on participation, this
situation disenfranchises part of the members.
Based on input from the DASC-SC, participation can be defined more
loosely. In particular, members that have not attended a meeting, but
have expressed interest or commented on the minutes should be
considered active participants. A major reason to base voting rights on
participation is the need to maintain a quorum - if the WG is ridden
with many members with voting rights that don't show up to meetings,
operation can bog down due to lack of quorum.
6.1 Participation through
e-mail
Motion to count e-mail participation
for purposes of attendance tracking. Members sending e-mail to
rollcall@ieee1647.org are indicating interest in the process and are
asking to be counted for purpose of attendance tracking
Moves: Matthew Morley
Discussion
Matthew: is this consistent with the DASC-SC view? or should this be
limited to substantial comments on the minutes for example?
Yaron: the intention is to look for an indication of involvement, so
this is in line with the recommendations.
Francesco Sforza: Should this be limited to a specific list of people
who can't reasonably make the conference calls based on time zones?
Darren Galpin: some time zones may be problematic when DST takes affect.
Michael McNamara: we should encourage members to participate any way
they can, accommodate their schedule constraints. We should be on the
flexible side.
Avi Bloch: how will this impact voting - if people don't attend the
call how can they influence the outcome?
Yaron: as long as voting is done in quorum, people who don't attend are
not counted. If due to lack of quorum a ballot is conducted, everybody
can impact the outcome.
Seconds: Sarrie Chapman
No objections, no abstains. Motion passes.
Motion to include ballot participation as an activity where attendance
is tracked, in accordance with DASC-SC guidelines.
Moves: Darren Galpin
Seconds: Matan Vax
No objections, no abstains. Motion passes.
6.2 Varying meeting times and days
A member has suggested off-line that we alternate weekdays and hours
for our meetings so that different people can participate. It was
pointed out that people may have conflicts with the Monday morning time
slot.
Discussion
Andy Piziali: good idea - shifting meeting times allow people to attend
Avi Bloch: we need to consider the membership - try to cover the bulk
of the members.
Yaron: the current time slot is picked because it can work for North
America, Europe and India. Moving the meeting an hour earlier is likely
to loose Pacific time zone callers. An hour later will exclude India
and impact Israel.
Matan Vax: the hour seem to be convenient, we should alternate week days
Joe Hupcey: there is a high value in getting to meet in a conference
call. We should do our best to match the possibilities of most people.
If this entails having the call a bit earlier, this may be done.
Matan: who will coordinate any attempt to come up with an agreed upon
time and day?
Mac: we are discussing meetings of the eWG as one main body, most of
the action is going to take place within task forces and on
the e-mail reflectors.
Matthew: This topic should be discussed through e-mail. People that
have issue with this time are not represented on the call...
Yaron will follow up with an e-mail discussion.
7. Call for participation
We were advised that a secretary position is not optional for this WG.
Please consider volunteering to this role. If no nominations are
received, the chair will appoint a temporary secretary for 6 months.
Please consider joining the two remaining task forces:
TCMs and concurrent semantics - members
e Libraries - lead and members
8. Patent policy
As requested by the IEEE SA, this is a reminder regarding the IEEE
patent policy. Please review the call for essential patents and the
patent related slide presentation posted on the web site.
9. Next meeting
Next meeting is planned for Monday, February 9th at 9:00 AM pacific
(same time as today's meeting).
Please remember to send e-mail to rollcall@ieee1647.org so that your
attendance on this call is registered.
- Please DON'T send these e-mails to the reflector
- Use the e-mail address you registered with
- In about a week, the on-line roster should be updated
10. Adjourn
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