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Meeting 31 Minutes Teleconference, May 9th, 2007 A quorum of 4 out of 4 voting members present. 7 non-voting members also present. Attendance and voter status indicated on the roster web page.
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2. Approval of Meeting 30 Minutes Andy : Is there any discussion of those minutes ? Joe Daniels : I think that Serrie did a really nice job of capturing everything – there were a few places where it was indicative whether it was Joe Hupcey or myself talking – but the information was recorded and that’s the most important part so I have no issues with that. Andy : So would you like .. are you satisfied with leaving …. Serrie : Yeah it’s a bit difficult for me as I don’t actually know any of you guys so unless you say the name, that’s why I normally send it to Andy. Joe : I totally understand. I blame Joe Hupcey as this is the first time in 3 years that I’ve been in a workgroup where there's another Joe Andy : So Serrie, you can probably distinguish Joe Daniels from Joe Hupcey – or tell me if you can’t. How about Joe Hupcey? Are you there ? Joe Hupcey : I’m certainly here and I’ll try to change my voice a little bit differently – I’ll have a lower pitched voice. Serrie: Yaron used to just correct it – I’d put question marks in and he’d just correct it . Andy : Any other comments on the meeting 30 minutes? Joe Daniels : If you can’t hear then its probably me and by the way I’m in one group where there’s three different Gary’s so that’s really exciting. … Life goes on thanks. Andy solicited motion to approve the minutes • Darren made the motion • Yaron seconded the motion • No objections, motion passed
3. Status Update Andy : I'm going to bring you up to date first of all on the vice chair election. Given that we currently only have four voting members and there are no nominations yet for the vice chair, I’m going to postpone that vice chair election and leave Darren as the appointed vice-chair until the August 13th meeting. There’s not going to be a lot of activity in the July time frame – we’ll talk about it shortly. I don’t think this is going to be a big issue. So, Darren if you’re comfortable with filling in between now and then, then that stands. Darren : Okay Andy: Next item on the status is the review status. As of this morning there are 116 issues posted for the seven clauses that are in the download section of the website. Mostly due to DAC commitments, I’ve only got 42 of those issues so far classified into various task forces so I’ll be going through the remainder this week so that all of them will be ready for the task forces that need to be created. On the subject of the task forces, I’ve had a pending open invitation for volunteers for task forces and I haven’t received any so I’m going to go ahead and start appointing folks within the next week or two here. I’ll contact you individually and try to distribute the number of issues equally among the number of task forces for example if there's a task force that only has five or six issues, I may merge that with another so we may not actually need seven task forces. Between now and that August 13th meeting … <<Mark Strickland and Alon Gluska join the meeting and Andy updates them on what has occurred so far.>> As I was saying, between now and the next meeting we’ll go through these issues and recommend an action for each of those such as a change to a clause, address the issue, reject the issue or perhaps investigate a bit further. Are there any comments or questions about the review status or anything specific about the seven clauses that are now posted? Mark: Is the bug tracking system working again? Andy: It is working Mark – its going to record the wrong date because the server has the wrong .. the system time is wrong on the machine right now. Matan: Andy, actually I reckon that this may or may not work depending on which browser people are using. Yaron : The problem that you had Mark was not fixed in fact. The problem relates to the fact that the time on that machine is wrong because of a hardware problem and the way that the website works is that it logs a cookie onto your browser and that is invalidated after sometime and because of the time jitter it just intermittently logs you out. Andy : So does that mean Yaron that, like I haven’t had any issues for the past two weeks going through the issue tracking system. Is that because the cookies that are on my machine are old or new or .. Yaron: No you got lucky and you got something that is like 1974 or very early, right? Your cookie is good but because the time jitters I can get a cookie that is later and time will revert back to time zero and hence will throw me out. Joe Daniels: That’s the issue I’m having. Yaron : Don’t blame yourself. It’s the server. Andy : Just as an update on the server for everybody on the call, the server is an old Sun machine who’s motherboard battery is nearly at the end of its life. This has caused the EEPROM on the mother board to lose some of its configuration as well as reset the clock. Cadence IT is currently looking into replacing the battery in there so hopefully that will be fixed in the next week or so. Any other comments or questions on, for example, the recently released reflection API? Matan : Andy, I’ve seen you mention that getting the issues by June 22nd – is it a hard deadline and is it a deadline also for other clauses? <<Alon leaves the meeting – Andy believes that Alon asked the question, somebody else believes he’s left by mistake, then he re-joins and is welcomed back at which point Matan clarifies that it was he that was asking the question>> Andy: June 22nd is the date that I wanted to have the issues posted for the seven clauses that are outstanding so that Joe Daniels could start working with the task forces on the second draft clauses. There’s some flexibility there because during the July and the first couple of weeks of August time frame a number of people are going to be on vacation so the earlier we can have these clauses for review the better. A short answer is that its not a hard deadline. Matan: Obviously it would make life easier if the problem with the issue tracking would be fixed. Andy : Of course. Okay, if there’s no more status discussion I’d like to give our editor a chance to comment or raise any issues.
4. Editor Joe Daniels : Andy – I think you and I should probably address this one together because we are talking about the schedule. Part of the reason behind why it is a desired deadline and not a hard deadline is because I’m taking a personal vacation between July 15th and August 15th so there’s no reason for the work group to rush and get everything in front of me by July 13th and then I’ll go “okay I’ll see you in a month”. I think that would be a waste of peoples' time and effort. By the same token, I really agree with Andy that I’d like to at least preview the issues before I go on vacation so, use your best judgment there. As far as the pieces that are there in front of you, this is the entire draft one set of revisions. So, for the reflection API the examples are in there, that is the entire set of stuff, I’m looking at the download page now if anyone has visuals and where it says reflection facility, reflection API and reflection examples. The examples are clearly driven off Specman-based usage and therefore need to be updated and I’m anticipating a reflection API of all the documents that were donated by Cadence and are now up for review and intended to be incorporated in the 2008 standard are going to need the most attention I think. It’s the material I certainly understand the least and I would like several sets of eyes to look at it so we may have to go through even a third draft on that one. I would like to give folks a ‘heads up’ on that, as the rest of us, similar to what Andy said earlier, as he scours these issues, he and I are talking and trying to get a rough feeling for the time it will take for me to do the work. I think its realistic for me to say that after I get back in August is when I’m going to be doing the bulk of the work but Andy your thoughts will be appreciated here. Andy : Ok, so on that date Joe. I was going to propose August 13th to be the next meeting but that’s actually before you return? Joe Daniels : I will call in. Just a brief personal note, my parents’ 50th anniversary we’re going on a cruise to Alaska, we get back on the 12th so I’ll call in on the 13th. Andy: Okay – I agree with you on the reflection API in terms of it being probably the least mature and that clause being the most work for incorporation into the LRM and, in addition, there's a smaller body of qualified people to review that for content. That’s not to say that others shouldn’t review it just for general, the language and whether it conveys properly the syntax and semantics of that reflection API. But we have a smaller number of people that have hands-on use with the API and I am in the process of making sure that they are reviewing that document. Anything else on editor issues ? Joe Daniels: No – what I do want to say is that I do appreciate the people that have gone through on the process already because I’m picking up on things we missed or could be doing differently – I’m still waiting to see if there's any further feedback on the sequences in particular and maybe some more on messages. Mostly most of the material that’s coming out, as Andy alluded to in a previous meeting are very minor. It's typos, rephrasing, expansions of examples and things like that and therefore I’m anticipating that will be quite quick work. It’s the more recent donations in this order : reflection facility sequences, and messaging are probably going to have to do some additional work. And then the last, longer term point is once we agree that this is the set of stuff that we want to have I would like to get out one final draft and have the work group review it for at least two weeks and preferably a month to just take one last look through and make sure that any of the new material we’ve added has not impacted any of the previous material in the 2006 standard. Andy: Sounds good. Thanks Joe.
5 . Other Business Andy : The only other business that Joe Hupcey and I were talking about a little earlier was getting a proper India toll-free dial in number. We have several people who would like to call in from India but only want to call a toll-free number so we are currently trying to track down that proper number and we will post it on the agenda page for the August meeting. Any other Business?
6. Call for Essential Patents Please review the mandatory slides posted. The IEEE-SA updated the patent policy effective April 30. The details are available in updated slide set at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf (See "Patent related" from the IEEE 1647 home page, "Slides About IEEE Patent Policy"). If you believe that any patent claims are essential patent claims, please inform the working group. Review the posted slides for more information. An essential patent is a patent that would be infringed if it were not licensed or transferred to the IEEE in order to file it legally as standard. So if people leave with any claims that are essential patent claims they should meet with the work group and take a look at the posted slides for more information on the subject.
7. Next Meeting Andy: There will be no July meeting as Joe Daniels as well as myself are both on vacation. I’ll be on vacation from July 1st to the 10th August. During that period of time I’m hoping that the task forces will all have an opportunity to go through the items which have been posted and classify them accordingly for the work when Joe Daniels returns. Is anybody aware at this early date of any potential conflicts for August 13th? Joe Hupcey: traditional vacation Dates might be a few people out? Andy: Exactly – there could be people on vacation - Tentatively set for August 13th at 9 am PDT (1600 UTC) Andy : The one action item I have is to change Darren to a voting member of the group. And number 2 – Joe =you have an action to find a working toll-free number for India. Any other actions? Joe Daniels: I don’t think its an action item but I want to check that I heard you correctly that although we have no July meeting that the task forces are in place and that if there are any issues then if I’m on vacation and look on the database then I’ll be able see that process occurring? Andy : That’s correct – right. Is there any other subject that anyone would like to bring up in this meeting? Joe: How can I see the database? Andy : You’ll see the database once we get that server working of course and I’ll send out a notice when the server is online again. I got a message from Mac McNamara a minute ago with the status update.
8. Adjourn Andy solicited a motion to adjourn. Darren made a motion to adjourn. Serrie seconded. Meeting adjourned. |
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